Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F (2024)

CHRIS STACHIW: What's old is new because, yeah, man, what we're talking, I guess what's funny is the first one of these movies came out before I was born and then the third one would have come out when I was four years old and now the fourth one has come out when I'm 34 years old. So the world waited for 30 years for Beverly Hills Cop War. And what did we get? Yeah, I'm gonna bury the lead here and just say, I think we got a better movie than anyone in, including anyone making the movie.

Probably thought that they deserve to make because, yeah, I'm here talking about Beverly Hills Cop Axel F not four. Because why would we do something so obvious? MIKE WHITE: But do we take even the A from AXL and turn it into the number four or something? CHRIS STACHIW: Why do anything like people have done before?

But on this very special crossover episode of the Kulturecast, the projection booth, I am one of your host, Chris Staci. I am joined by the I mentioned host of the projection booth, Mike White. How, hey and our dear friend all the way from dark destinations and more, more apropos I think as his weekly show now chugs along midnight viewing. Our friend, Father Malone.

FATHER MALONE: I'd just like to point out that there's a billboard in this movie that says syphilis eruption boy isn't there. CHRIS STACHIW: And yeah, if you don't know what we're talking about, we're gonna be talking about the latest Beverly Hills Cop movie, not titled Beverly Hills Cop Four, but titled Beverly Hills Cop Colonel. It so the film is directed by Mark Malloy based on a screenplay By Will Beal Tom Gormican and Kevin Etten. And it is based on the characters that have been established in the previous three of Beverly Hills Cop movies.

And it does star once again, Eddie Murphy as the titular Axel F. Joseph Gordon Levitt is in this movie, Judge Reinhold is there John Ashton, Paul Reiser Bronson P show Taylor Page shows up as Eddie Murphy's daughter because, hey, it's a family affair now, as they would say. And yeah, we're gonna be spoiling the movie. So if you haven't seen it yet, they're the only place to watch it is on streaming services, which I love.

Now, I realized if you guys see it on when they show previews for movies on streaming, it just says new movie and then the date it doesn't say in theaters, it just says new movie, July 7th. Oh OK. It doesn't seem as excited is in theaters. That's fine.

And yeah, we'll be spoiling the movie. So if you haven't seen it, watch it on Netflix and come back and join us. So Mike, I'm gonna kick it to you first. Thoughts on the original films, excitement surrounding this film maybe.

I mean, this movie was just dropped on Netflix. So many things are now. But thoughts on the original and the quell. MIKE WHITE: I absolutely love the original.

I grew up watching it. It was before you could really, I guess you could buy VHS tapes back then, but it was maybe somebody taped it off of cable or had the technology. We have the technology, we can copy from one tape player to the other tape there. But somehow my dad all with a copy of Beverly Hills Cop and I watched the shit out of it.

I just really enjoyed that movie. I really enjoyed the second movie as well. I imagine if I go back and re-watch it again because we covered this for the projection with a few years ago. I think I was a little less hot on it.

And when I did that episode, that was the first time I ever saw the third one because I had been told for years to stay away from it and for a good reason. So there was no excitement for me around Axel F. I knew that they had been talking about doing 1/4 Beverly Hills Cop pretty much since the third one came out 30 trips around the sun. As you say, all of our top scientists are working on it and they actually came up with something that I thought was pretty darn decent.

I really enjoyed this movie. I had a good time with it. I know my wife did not. She was just like, oh, can we watch The Great British Baking Show instead?

We haven't seen the last few seasons. CHRIS STACHIW: So you pass that up for this. MIKE WHITE: I, yeah, but I really wanted to watch this. I knew we were recording about it.

So I figured it'd be nice if I actually watched the movie before I showed up on the show to just wing it through there. But, yeah, I thought that the lip service that they paid to the previous films was pretty darn good. And I actually like that. It was his daughter rather than a full love interest because the f love interest never really were love interest.

It was like his friend in the first one. I can't remember the third one Like what the female relationship was like and that it felt like maybe they were supposed to be boyfriend, girlfriend at the end of the movie, but it Didn'T make a lot of sense. But this one having his daughter I thought made more sense. Yeah.

Some of that pathos is a little tough to get through and Taylor Page. I'm not really familiar with her too much, but I'll tell you she's got the best. What the fuck did you just say to me? Face of all people?

Like even her IM DB profile photo feels like somebody just said something inappropriate to her and she's about to come at them. CHRIS STACHIW: I speak only for myself here in saying I do wish you had showed up and just started talking about the great British bake off. Just no so completely just gone on for five minutes. And at the end of it just be like, what the fuck Mike?

MIKE WHITE: He got a handshake for the Showstopper. CHRIS STACHIW: What the hell? And he Didn'T cry. MIKE WHITE: Are you talking about the great pottery throw down where the host of Beck cries every episode.

CHRIS STACHIW: I love that guy more than he just give me a go. I, he cried in that first episode and I was like, oh, this is really special. Then he cried in every subsequent episode. So it doesn't, it's not, the thing is much.

Ok? You can't do that. Father Malone. Tell us your thoughts on the Beverly Hills Cop of it all.

FATHER MALONE: I saw the original at the movies and my grandmother took me to see Beverly Hills Cop. She was a big Eddie Murphy fan and come on. MIKE WHITE: Sonny, let's go see the new Beverly Hills Cop movie. I hear Eddie Murphy is very fun.

CHRIS STACHIW: Mothers, grandma keeping it fucking real dog over to her house. She'd play Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy. What the Scott remember Red Fox said, you gotta wash your ass. Yeah.

Holy shit. FATHER MALONE: She loved Red Fox. I've told this story on other podcasts. But my grandmother went to see Beverly Hills Cop two without me.

And when I asked her how it was, she said, why won't they just let Eddie be Eddie? She was one of my fondest memories of her anyway. And I agree with her in the assessment part part part two because I love Beverly Hills Cop and I had it on videotape. It was in a big old fucking clam shell Parma always stuck him in the class and it was the photo of him just with the gun, which is great as a poster.

I love that. First one. The second one came out and I had zero interest in seeing it just because it looked too slick and it looked too sequel. I like what we expected of a sequel at the time just amped up and I love Tony Scott and everything.

Sometimes it's a bit much but I did see part three in the theater because Landis directed it and, oh man, I regret it to this day. I wish I had never seen it so well when they start this movie and Mike, you were saying like at the end of three, could that have been his girlfriend? I was like, I completely blotted out parts two and three and this is just the sequel to Beverly Hills Cop, but I don't think that red counts anything necessarily. But like you, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I found the story of Axel and his daughter to be actually really affecting and I thought a really great avenue to take that character down. It's the other sort of eighties stuff slapped on top of it at the end of it gets a little too eighties of it all. I was enjoying it for up to a point and I was enjoying some of the music cues coming back and stuff, but there's way too many of them. But I think, look, I think the climax is just ridiculous and it's made me not like the movie but ultimately I enjoyed it, like, overall, like a all the performances.

Everyone made me happy. I was made happy more than not in the, in the, in the viewing of this movie. MIKE WHITE: And how about you, Chris? CHRIS STACHIW: So I had only seen the first two.

I had stayed away from the third one for all of the reasons aforementioned because it, so it sounds terrible. And then I've heard it's not good. So I'm sometimes I don't choose to go out of my way to watch bad things just to reinforce that they are in fact bad and they do mention it in this movie at least once just. And then in 1994 the less said about that, the better you're fucking right, the less said about it, the better.

Clearly, I enjoyed the first one when I watched it again. It's watching it at a time and a place when I did, which would have been like in the last 10 years. Very different from watching it when it originally came out for a whole host of reasons. Eddie Murphy.

Now for people my age is not Eddie Murphy saying faggot, OK, it's just, that's just not Eddie Murphy. Eddie Murphy is I dare to say that Eddie Murphy, I think for people my age is known for his work as donkey and Shrek. I'm, I'm pretty sure for a lot of people. I like Eddie Murphy a lot in a lot of his live action stuff.

And look, this is going to come as, this might seem like a joke to some people. I actually really like that Haunted Mansion movie that he was in the early two thousands. I think he's actually pretty good in it. I don't know if I ever buy Eddie Murphy as like a family man.

I find it very hard to believe. I think that it's to your point, Father Malone. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm, I'm sure he does. I'm more speaking of the idea of the energy that he brings in. You mentioned that Father Malone pretty aptly. I think the way that they do it in this movie with his character is the right way to do it with Eddie Murphy as an actor, which is just like a lof dickhead father who has to learn a lesson by the end of the movie and he does in a very hard warming moment.

But I understand the appeal of this franchise originally and I enjoyed this movie a lot more than I think I had any expectation going into it that I would. I think that again, it just being on Netflix in July of 2024 when people were clamoring for it probably throughout the fucking nineties for it to now just come out. It's the bizarre to me that these things happen this way that people were waiting for so long and now it's just, it's here and next week it won't even matter. But I don't know, I'm interested to see if they do more with it.

I think that there is a place in the world for stuff like this still. I think that this movie is in a lot of ways, the right way to do it, which is bring the character into the modern day and give him modern problems as it were that people his age would be having, which is, you know, unable to get along in the world the way it's changed and having a child that resents you for the way that you are and the way that you are is something that in the first three movies the character was being celebrated for. And now it's like you're past your prime bullet, turn in your badge like, oh Jesus Christ.

But like it works here in the context of what the movie is doing and the fact that we get Judge Reinhold and John Ashton back I think is for me, the best part of the movie is the positives that come back from the original movies. But I went into this, having no idea what to expect other than it's a legacy sequel coming out 30 years after the fact. And I don't know, I would put it up there with some of the better versions of these kinds of movies we've seen since they started doing these kinds of movies, which I think is really the glut of them started.

What do we want to say? Like, 1010 years ago, 1015 years ago, now the reel became a thing where they reboot the movies but they don't really reboot them. But it's a sequel at the same time. I don't know.

I enjoyed it but I don't think that people my age are going to be flocking to see this movie. I guess. I wonder who this is for. Ultimately is the big question that I asked for y'all, which is good because I think for y'all it's working and I hope that people my age check it out because I think it's, I think it still has some fun beats in it.

Is it is over the top. Is that new bad boys movie? Probably not. But it's not trying to be, even though they're doing this same thing.

MIKE WHITE: Ultimately, Beverly Hills Cop walked so that bad boys could run. I believe, I don't think there would be a bad boys without be Beverly Hills Cop. But yeah, they seem to know their audience and they seem to know how to pace a movie pretty well. Having three major chase set pieces in this film.

One with the garbage truck, one with that little traffic trolley, whatever you wanna call that thing. And the third with the helicopter, I thought all of those worked really well and it was just that kind of, how are we gonna amp this action up type of thing? And I think putting him in that little trolley thing was pretty darn funny because it just Didn'T look like it would go very fast at all. And then having Joseph Gordon Levitt have his PTSD and not be able to fly the helicopter.

I thought that was a nice twist as well because you would expect. Oh yeah, I know how to do this and just gets in there and flies off, but instead really crashes the helicopter right there where shooter mcgavin is practicing golf. I thought that was really nice. CHRIS STACHIW: Christopher mcdonald just there for no discernible fucking reason frankly.

FATHER MALONE: And doesn't one thought follow the other? What the fuck is happening? Oh, never mind. It's mcdonald's do whatever you want right.

CHRIS STACHIW: Here's the other thing I want to point out. And again, like there's a universe where we don't have to point this out. But we got a final Indiana Jones film last year year, which featured a similar value proposition, which is an aged movie star comes back to the franchise that for a lot of people made him very popular, if not immensely famous and wealthy. And is he actually showing up or is he just phoning it in and look Harrison Ford is what probably Jesus Christ, 20 years older than Eddie Murphy.

I've got to assume at least 10, probably 15, but maybe 20. So we can't expect him to do the things that Eddie Murphy is being asked to do in this movie. But I don't think Eddie Murphy is being asked to do that much. You know, it's three set pieces in cars, which I mean, is what fucking Indiana Jones was.

There was a lot of vehicular chases in that movie too, but this is how you do it. Right. Exactly. But this is how you do it entertaining.

And this is how you actually do it in an interesting way, which is keep cutting back to the cab of the vehicle and have an interesting back and forth going between the characters, not just showing ac G I bullshit action and just hanging it on that because while this movie does have a fair amount of CGI, I can also tell that most, a lot of this is also being practically done as well. MIKE WHITE: The heavy lifting for this movie has to be on Murphy's shoulders and totally be his riffing and his whole, the way that he bluffs people the way that he comes in and just starts lying to people.

And I like that isn't 100% successful that his daughter actually pulled was fat out of the fire at least once, if not twice, which I thought was nice that she's able to pick up on that as well. But yeah, it's so much of it is him being slick and talking his way into and out of situations and that hasn't changed. I think that is where this movie really shines and that's where we see Eddie Murphy very engaged in this thing. And that was the thing with Indiana Jones.

It felt like Harrison Ford was just like, fuck what I gotta do to get a paycheck out of, don't give a shit about this. Whereas it felt like Eddie was very passionate about this. I really felt that he was invested in this. FATHER MALONE: Film in Indiana Jones.

I don't blame Harrison Ford at all because at that point, Indiana Jones is that guy. He is disinterested in the world and doesn't want any part of it, even though he's being pulled through the action. The problem is the action in the script and the way it's shot, it's just fucking awful. And I think what happened here is movies like that were coming out trying to trade on Gen X nostalgia for things they loved in their youth.

So there's a low bar set when you can't do Indiana Jones. Well at all. So in that regard, this movie succeeds, it should succeed just on that surface level. But I think it accomplishes more than that.

I think it's a smarter script. I think everything's more engaged. And the other thing is that the action in the Indiana Jones movies is not in any way commensurate to the action and anything that went on in the Beverly Hills stop movies. It is all vehicular so it's easier to maintain that sort of, same level of reality that series had created because we could always cut to Eddie Murphy in the behind the wheel of a car.

And the fact is, I think a lot of this was practical, wasn't it? The helicopter? A lot of that helicopter stuff had to be real man. Helicopter, like spinning around outside the Beverly Hills City Hall is, was actually harrowing to watch.

CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah, I appreciated all of the practical vehicle effects. So look, I don't think it's also a surprise that a franchise like fast and The Furious is so popular because again, like it makes something like this feel like a little bit of a layup in a lot of ways. Oh, those are still in the stuff that Indiana Jones was doing isn't necessarily in anymore if it was ever in outside of it just being in for Indiana Jones sake. FATHER MALONE: Those bad boy directors, the ones who did the last one that was actually really well directed.

Like, I don't know, I've heard of those guys, their dream was to come to America and make a Beverly Hills Cop movie. So I wish that they had let them because I think this, the direction here is very in the mold of Martin Breast through that Bruckheimer lens. So it's good, you know what I mean? It's good enough like the practicality of it sells it more than the actual like filmmaking there.

I want to see those guys make the next one. MIKE WHITE: Yeah, the aerial coordinator for this horn was Frederick North, who I had the pleasure of speaking with last year. He had a new book called Flying Sideways to Come out. And yeah, he takes a lot of pride in practical effects and practical aerial feats.

And I was very excited when I saw that he was working on this movie because yeah, those seem very real. And even when it came to that little police thing, I think that worked so much better than the Tuck Tuck Chase. That was in Indiana Jones because remember they let that thing go on for way too long in all of the action scenes in this are pretty, you know, tight. I would say the longest action sequence is probably the snowplow chase at the beginning, but that's there to set the stage so much of how reckless he is that he is so in danger of losing his job.

Also reuniting him with Jeffrey The Paul Reiser kid, which was nice to see him back in this because I really like Jeffrey in the first movie, especially his whole when he's there. And, Gil Hill is yelling at him and he's like, this is not My locker. That's one of my favorite lines from the first movie. So it's good to bring him back and I don't feel like those kind of things are that nostalgia base that, that fan service that we hear so much about when it comes to these newer films.

Yeah. Having Judge Reinhold and John Ashton in here could be seen as that, but I don't feel like it is. I think the only time that they get in danger of that is when they bring back Serge. And I guess that's just because Serge is such a popular character.

Question Mark. I remember liking him in the first movie, but when he showed up in two and definitely in three, he Didn'T need to be there at all. Get Serge out of there. CHRIS STACHIW: I'm glad that Judge Reinhold and John Ashton Didn'T show up in the third act.

Oh, they're here like in the Ghostbusters. It's just talk about when. MIKE WHITE: The ghost of Ronnie talk shows up and he's like, oh my God. CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah, it's just, that's what I expect for fan service at this point is like the lowest of low hanging fruit where it's like, oh, they're gonna, they're gonna expect that in the final frame of exorcist believer Linda Blair is gonna show up.

So we're gonna do it. It's so lazy. We see it coming from a mile away and this movie doesn't do it. They actually integrate those characters into the plot and the proceedings of the movie rather well.

Yeah, Bronson Pinchot is the only one who's sticking out like a sore thumb, you could excise his entire scene from the movie. The moment they meet him to the moment that they leave that house that he's trying to get them into, so Eddie Murphy could just go next door and look at something and go, I know things now. It's like. FATHER MALONE: Pedro is the real estate agent in that scene and every line, every line reading of hers made me laugh.

So I agree that Bronson Pinchot has turned that if you watch the first Beverly Hills Cop movie, the reason that character works is just because it seems like it's that guy. He's just this weirdo, like and here it's so affected that it drags the scene down but Nasim Pedrad is fucking hitting it, hitting it. CHRIS STACHIW: Is, it's unfortunate because she's great. But Bronson Pinchot is just like doing, he's, it's like he saw the first movie and is trying to do an impersonation of himself.

MIKE WHITE: Oh, man, he barely speaks and the accent just has gotten worse over the years. I'm not sure. FATHER MALONE: Exactly how that happens. More and more affected somehow.

MIKE WHITE: Yeah. The whole series, or at least the first movie especially is that whole fish out of water thing. And the whole idea of him coming to this ritzy and we get that montage of him driving in that crappy blue Chevy Nova. No, sorry, crappy Ford Explorer and all of the people that he sees and he's laughing at and everything.

That's fun. But I did, like, when he gets arrested, I think it's his own daughter who's arresting him and she's got hands up kind of thing. And he's, he says I've been a cop for 30 years. I've been black all my life.

I'm not about to. FATHER MALONE: I know how this goes. MIKE WHITE: Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's nice.

That is really nice that they can directly address that but still keep it light and funny and not have it turn around into. This is a Post Rodney King world that we're in a Post George Floyd world that we're in. God. I could sit here for an hour and list off all the African American men and women who have been unjustly killed by police, but I'm glad that's there and not hitting you over the head with it.

CHRIS STACHIW: You're saying that you like our movies is what you're saying. You woke the woke, keep Wokeness out of our movies, Mike. MIKE WHITE: Yeah, we have to keep wo this out of the movies because it's driving the kids insane. That's why they're picking all these weird pronouns and Jaren and infinitives.

They're splitting their infinitives these days. Do you have split infinitives? The worst. Yeah, I think it's called the Prince Albert.

CHRIS STACHIW: In terms of this movie. Actually having those moments to your point, Mike, it has them in there, but they don't feel forced in which again with these kinds of things, there's with these kinds of movie there's a lot of things that can feel forced, the nostalgia can feel forced and look, I think when people say Wokeness, we're obviously poking fun at it. But I think Wokeness in terms of what we're actually talking about is more just bringing these franchises into the modern day and trying to make sense of the things that now in hindsight, don't make as much sense when you go back and re-watch the original movies.

And I think that this movie does a good enough job at addressing that. Like you said, with that one line that Eddie Murphy has, I think that to have it corrupt cops, I think is also maybe a little too on the nose. But I think in this day and age corrupt cops, but. FATHER MALONE: That's where the whole fucking movie falls apart because it's so ridiculous.

He's so out in the open here. See that work that's from 1985. Like they update it in some ways. But I don't think Axel Foley has changed in one iota like he'd be telling everyone to fuck themselves back in 85 as well.

We Didn'T need the villains and their plots coming with him. One real subversion to that I thought was we known Axel Foley is known for like walking into every situation, be able to talk himself into any situation. But when we get basically a repeat from the first film where he walks into the hotel and he's about to start like conning her into, he's just fuck, I'm too tired. Just give me, give me the hotel room.

I don't care. That was probably my favorite moment in the entire movie because that, that because Eddie Murphy in inhabits this character so well, it felt good because if you watch the third film, that's Eddie Murphy trying to be serious Axel for some reason, on top of all the movie's other problems, we, he wanted to take that character in a different direction, but this felt like a return to form except there's no laugh. Eddie Murphy has famously changed his laugh because he was so tired of being parodied and copied and made fun of for the way he laughed.

So he changed the way he laughed. But I remember Axel Foley laughing that way. Couldn't he have affected it a little bit for the, for this one flick. MIKE WHITE: That would have been nice.

At least he Didn'T stick any bananas and any tail pipes though in this, that was really almost. FATHER MALONE: They almost got there with a little bit of the fan service. MIKE WHITE: I'm just amazed that they, you're totally right. As far as soon as you see Kevin Bacon, you're like, oh, he's a corrupt cop.

He's the villain. CHRIS STACHIW: Remember when he was a villain in R IP D doing the exact same thing? MIKE WHITE: I'm amazed that they let him be on the force still after all the shit he pulled on Ryan Reynolds. Back in R IP D.

Yeah. Yeah, he is exactly that same character and it's OK. Yeah. And yeah, no hiding it and no third act reveal, there's nobody behind him who's the power behind the throne.

It's just him, just his goons. And, yeah, that thing too. When Eddie Murphy walks into, or sorry, Axel walks into Judge Reinhold's room and they're tearing it apart and he just, what the hell is taking so long and he does that whole thing. And then when the other goo and walks in, this is the exact same thing.

I thought that was nice as well. CHRIS STACHIW: So I don't think I'll ever do an episode on the original movie. So this is my opportunity to mention 1985. Fletch comes out and Fletch is just now I see that Fletch is just Chevy Chase's version of Beverly Hills Cop without a gun because the whole, because I'm not saying in the book Fletch, he's not talking himself in and out of things because that is the case.

But if we're talking a cinematic comparison every time he did that in this movie, I was like, this is what this would look like if they had ever made that third Fletch movie with Chevy Chase. Like now this is what it would look like. You'd have that scene where he tries to do it and he's just like, all right, I can't, I just can't be bothered. But what's so weird is I had never put those two things together in my mind as kind of overlapping idea.

But Beverly Hills Cop and Fletch have so much in common and I think it works here really well because they understand how to amend it and do different things with it that don't make it feel like they're just treading that old ground again. Obviously, the most recent Fletch movie is a completely different thing. So it also felt very different from what it was trying to achieve. But here we have the original actor doing the character again and it doesn't feel the there's, I don't want to say there's so little fan service in this movie, but there's not a lot of fan service, not in the way that I was expecting.

Not in the way that what there is really sticks out. FATHER MALONE: I think if you had watched the first movie a billion times you would like right from the opening song, you'd be like, OK, we're doing this, right? The heat is on now. When will you, when will we be dancing the Neutron?

Not too long after actually. MIKE WHITE: Who's Detroit favorite song of Bob Seger? Yeah, you have to get the Bob Seger in there first. CHRIS STACHIW: And also when I was so I watched this, when my folks were here and my mom was like, this is the music from Fletch, right?

No, it is, but it isn't but it is. And Scott, let, can we talk about the music because look, the Axel F song at this point, the other thing that I think probably we should mention and I can't believe we're gonna have to say it in the same breath as Beverly Hills Cop. But Crazy Frog and Axel F. There are people my age that have never seen these movies but know the song song, Crazy Frog.

Ax Crazy Frogs Axle Left, which was like a meme for 1015 years. Again, in certain corners of the internet, people are still breaking it down to the Crazy Frog. But the music in this movie is a bit much and by a bit much they beat you over the fucking head with the fact that this is a Beverly Hills got movie in every scene. And I don't remember that being the case in the original movie, there were some more music cues.

They had some more stems there than just do do do, do, do, do, do just played like 8 million different ways. MIKE WHITE: It's weird that it has gotten now. Not now, but in the past, it has crept into so many rap songs that it feels like it is being sampled in some of these rap songs that we're hearing towards the end, especially here we go. CHRIS STACHIW: Lil Nas X's song.

That's, that song was made for the film. So, yeah. Yeah. MIKE WHITE: Yeah.

But this was an older song that happened to use some Harold Falter. CHRIS STACHIW: My, this is made. This is a song made for the movie which I miss that. I miss that being a thing.

MIKE WHITE: You need to watch some. Didn'T. Will Smith do a Bad Boys Four. CHRIS STACHIW: I Didn'T, I Didn'T think that Bad Boys Four and Beverly Hills Cop Four would come out in the same year.

Isn't that just, that's just something that we need. Ip IP P is not working on anything at the moment. What's he up to? It was weird to see him in this movie.

No lines at all. MIKE WHITE: That was so it took me a while. I had to say, wait a Mark Pellegrino that, yeah, I was so surprised. CHRIS STACHIW: His hairline has come up a little bit I think is what the issue is.

He doesn't have this full of a head of hair as he used to when Dexter was murdering him or the Winchester brothers were murdering him. MIKE WHITE: Or he was there on the Island playing Backgammon against timber. Yeah. God.

FATHER MALONE: Yeah, here was the sobering moment for me, Mike. I don't know about you, but I love seeing Paul Reiser again like you. I, he, I thought he was a great part of the original film and when he's dropping Axel off at the airport, I don't know any captain who do that, but I guess Paul Reiser would and when Eddie Murphy calls out to this like Sky Cap and he, and he's, look at him, look at me we're the same age. Look at him, look at me.

And then I really looked at Paul Rice when I looked at Eddie Murphy and I, my God, they're really old. Oh my God, I'm really old. This whole thing is aimed at me and I'm buying it. CHRIS STACHIW: That's why I said, so I said, who is my age watching this?

What was the, is it Joseph Gordon Levit? Is it the JGL of it all? Is it like we're gonna get him through the door with the holy matrimony kid? We got this.

MIKE WHITE: He was in it though. I Didn'T know until the credits started. I was like. CHRIS STACHIW: It's an Eddie Murphy movie, right?

It is an Eddie Murphy movie. He's just in it. MIKE WHITE: It helps that I follow John Ashton and Judge Ryan. Hold on Facebook.

So I'm seeing all of these pictures of them and all the, there's no JGL in any of those. So that was pretty funny yesterday, by the way, John Ashton day because I watched the movie or the Colombo that we're going to throw later today, Chris with John Ashton in it. So, yeah, to see him at the beginning and possibly end of his career all in one day. That was a sobering thing and poor John doing the mustache dying and the hair dying thing.

I was like, yeah, I don't know how this really helps you look young if anything, it looks like your grassman at straws. FATHER MALONE: When he's rolling up at the, in the climax that, that there's a tight close hip of him where he looks like the grim reaper coming to kill everybody, man. No, don't try to age him down. Ed him up.

MIKE WHITE: I love him. And that house at the end. So reminded me of the house at the end of the first movie to the Commando House that they shoot up in Bel Verde. CHRIS STACHIW: But I don't think it really works here.

FATHER MALONE: I work in the first movie and. CHRIS STACHIW: Here it's look again, this is, this exists in the fourth sequence of these movies coming out. So in the first movie, that's one thing. But going back to the, well, in the fourth movie again and then I don't know.

And then the way that kind of all concludes just really, I don't know, Kevin Bacon was such a thoughtless addition to this movie and then the way his character is handled at the end of the movie also feels like he's just yada yada out of the plot. And then here comes JGL and now he's dead. Wait, what, like what all of the, I don't know any of the suspense that there was with what was going to happen was essentially taken away, but there wasn't any anyways, I guess is the problem, I guess you don't need, do you need a villain in these kinds of movies like that?

Like a villain in charge? Or could it just be like a faceless organization. The, I think the best part of this movie is where they're in traffic and those cartel members just show up and start shooting up. Shit.

That felt a little bit more interesting than just, oh, there's this crooked cop. Like, no, there's just like a big real world threat. And here comes Axel Foley. Like, that's a little bit more interesting than, like you mentioned, Father Malone the 1984.

Called of it All. And here's Kevin Bacon twisting his air mustache that he doesn't have. FATHER MALONE: But Kevin Bacon's really bringing it is the thing. And I do think he.

CHRIS STACHIW: It's Kevin Bacon though. Of course, he's bringing it. FATHER MALONE: But he's a pretty good analog to Maitland in the first movie and he was a good villain for that movie, but he just needed to be a better rive villain and then he can be the face of it. But I do agree with you.

That cartel sequence was like out of hand, like that was as impactful as the fucking helicopter thing. CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah. And instead of going back to that, well, again, they just had it set in a mansion and again, like it's fine. It's just not, I don't know it, the stakes aren't there.

And when you have a helicopter chase, not 10 minutes before that feels like you're missing where you should have put the focus or maybe the order you should have put the things in Kevin Bacon fall out of a helicopter at the end of the movie. Let's talk about the eighties of it all have a shot of the guy falling backwards. They used to do that enough in the eighties. My God.

Joker, Alan Rickman. Alan Rickman, I think several times even. FATHER MALONE: Oh, Mike, I want to ask you as a, as a Detroit person where, where's Axel living? Did you recognize him?

MIKE WHITE: It did not recognize that I've never really recognized where he lives. I was very surprised and elated that they actually shot some things in Detroit because when they first showed him in the car, I was like, all right, is he really there or is this just interior axle in car exterior? Somebody else driving the same car? No, it looked like he was actually there and that they actually shot somewhat down here.

Which is funny because I don't remember them shooting here in the city at all. But the definitely a lot of that was. FATHER MALONE: Yeah, because if you go back and watch the original Beverly Hills Cop, there's a lot of shots of and like pick up shots around Beverly Hills but not really a whole lot of action that goes on here. I was surprised at how much action takes place in Beverly Hills here.

I used to live in Santa Monica, right, the town over and not spend a lot of the time in Beverly Hills necessarily, but certainly recognized everywhere where they were shooting and I was shocked at the practicality of this entire production. MIKE WHITE: I was shocked that Hector Elizondo doesn't make an appearance this, since he took over as the Chad Ashton girl in the first one that he's still around. He should have shown up at some point and just gotten unceremoniously killed. Well, we got Luis Guzman.

Oh my God. That was very surprising. What is he playing? CHRIS STACHIW: Like that loud singer, nail polish.

And he's a very much a gay gay coded character from 1984 slipped into a 2024 reel movie. It's very weird. But, oh, hey, Louis Guzman, everybody. FATHER MALONE: I thought the set up for that scene was so ridiculous.

But once they started talking in the booth by themselves, like I was totally into it and I thought he was great. But this over the top nonsense that, like every scene has to top the last don't do that. We don't need that. Just cut to these guys talking.

It would be far more interest. CHRIS STACHIW: And some of the best scenes in the movie are just Eddie Murphy and JGL talking and like having witty repartee with one another. But I guess when you exist in the framework of pop culture where again, bad Boys comes out and it one ups itself constantly. I guess you'd have to keep the action of it all still in at least 50% of the movie because this is an action comedy and people still expect the action to have some value.

I get you. I don't know. I like that there were chase scenes but yeah, to have big chase scenes and then a climax taking place inside of a building is like guys, I understand where we're coming from here. But I don't know.

I mean, I know they're making another one of these. My hope is that they figure that out and maybe, maybe they'll just make a sequel to this. Actually not being very similar to what the other movies did. But I can't imagine that.

Beverly Hills Cop is gonna be set in Detroit. That's the other thing here doesn't. Beverly Hills Cop kind of always had to be set, Beverly Hills. MIKE WHITE: So though they were, I don't know about that third one that always felt like it was past the DNA or something.

FATHER MALONE: But, yeah, it takes place at an amusement park. MIKE WHITE: It was like die hard at an amusement park but people could easily come and go, which I Didn'T understand. Very scary they talked about in the third one that they're going to do that in London for a little while to make that fish out of water even more because right now Beverly Hills in Detroit. Yeah, there's a lot of differences, but at the same time it's just, they're a lot similar now than they were in 1984 whenever the first one came out.

CHRIS STACHIW: 280 4, 84 84. FATHER MALONE: Ok. Hawaiian. CHRIS STACHIW: We've been waiting, we've been waiting.

MIKE WHITE: Him and beetle juice. FATHER MALONE: Oh, God, I'd like to see that bearing. Speaking of nostalgia bait coming out. Oh my God.

And speaking of recycled bits from an original movie, that trailer is 100% jokes from the first film. I'm so disappointed in not looking forward to the movie all of a sudden. CHRIS STACHIW: Oh, but at one point in that movie that they have a ring with a finger on it and the original and now it's a plot in the new movie. Aren't you excited?

FATHER MALONE: I'm excited for that. That's something new maybe. But like turning around and going look at this and scaring somebody. But we did that, we did that, we got to see it again.

CHRIS STACHIW: It's 2024. We got to do it again. FATHER MALONE: But I'm not here for the Greatest Hits baby. CHRIS STACHIW: And here's the thing I don't get is anybody here for that anymore?

I hope not. I wonder because I. FATHER MALONE: Fan service better die with this movie. If they're doing 1/5 1, it better be just a brand new.

CHRIS STACHIW: A I don't like GST Busters Frozen Empire because it's not Ghostbusters enough for me. I don't care. At this point, I want it to be something different. So I'm with you.

If they make 1/5 movie, take him to Hawaii, send him to Beijing. I don't give a shit. Just don't have it be set in Beverly Hills again. MIKE WHITE: Again, you could reverse rush hour and send him over there or have JGL go to Detroit.

CHRIS STACHIW: I don't know or just murder him in the first five minutes of the movie with a face hugger. The spaceship crashes on their way back to Detroit. MIKE WHITE: Romulus. There is a Romulus.

I live just a few miles away from it. So that's where airport is. So Beverly Hills Cop Romulus. Perfect.

Talking about fan service. Whoa, what a shout out to the Shrek films in this movie, right? Talk about how onions have layers on hell. CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah, I was like, hey, look, everybody's talking about onions again.

FATHER MALONE: Speaking of bizarre shoutouts. Hey, look, man, it's a first blood knife. What the fuck was that? MIKE WHITE: Had they brought up cobra and had the cobra scissors.

You know that for those who may not know, Beverly Hills Cop eventually became cobra once Sylvester Stallone walked away from Beverly Hills Cop and thank God he did that takes the whole racial thing right out of it too. If you had the white cop going from Detroit to that would have made no sense. CHRIS STACHIW: I wanted to ask you, Mike, since you are the Detroiter here, where does Axel Foley stand as a pop culture icon for Detroit? He's not as big a statue of him.

He's not as big as Robocop, right? MIKE WHITE: No, still waiting for that Robocop statue by the way, which I gave money to in for Kickstarter back in one fucking 11. I think it. CHRIS STACHIW: Was before we met.

I'm pretty sure. MIKE WHITE: Yeah. Still waiting for that one. Yeah.

I don't know. Personally, I don't think that the kids don't know. Axel Foley. I think they're more familiar with that Crazy Frog sound song.

CHRIS STACHIW: But, yeah, those kids love that Crazy Frog sound. MIKE WHITE: But, yeah, for me, obviously a big hometown hero, but he's not loud to like other Detroiters necessarily. CHRIS STACHIW: I think that's the Beverly Hills of it. All right.

FATHER MALONE: Did you're on a Mumford Phys Ed show? MIKE WHITE: No, but those things definitely sold quite a bit afterwards. Yeah. And I was hoping he would wear that, but at least we got the Detroit Lions jacket and I'm surprised he Didn'T talk about how good the Lions did last year.

So it was great. That whole thing with him going to the Red game and the whole like, oh yeah, my grandfather Winnipeg black guy. CHRIS STACHIW: That I think that was the funniest bit at the beginning of the movie, like all of this because I'm black. I don't like hockey.

MIKE WHITE: That was good. And at least he Didn'T dress up like the mast dad or anything. Throw back the big three Enrico Palazzo. CHRIS STACHIW: Oh my God.

Speaking of that. Speaking of comedy, Cops, we're gonna get a naked gun for even can you, we're, they're all coming back. I want dragnet too, Dan Aykroyd and Tom Hanks are still kicking it. What's Amel Muzz up to in 2025.

That's what the, that's what the Daphne Coleman just passed away. And so did Christopher Plummer, we can have an in memoriam scene to both of them. Let's just have a connected universe for dragnet. End of this movie.

It'll just have all take place in the same universe. Why not? FATHER MALONE: The sad thing is because someone is somewhere thinking that and weighing the nostalgic value of these things, like how much did people like drag that? Like the three amigos?

Like, let's figure out a way to get those remade or rebooted or re what the fuck ever we can get. Ring that fucking another dollar out of. MIKE WHITE: They've been trying to do that with police academy guys. That's been a real for years that they're trying to get academy off the ground again.

FATHER MALONE: The last I heard about that was Yara Taccone from the lonely Island. Like he had written a script, they were going to direct it and then it was George Floyd and Black Lives Matter. And suddenly nobody wanted to make a wacky comedy about cops propaganda baby. CHRIS STACHIW: So I forgot to mention and I get it.

It's a random aside, not random, but it is, it's a random connection that this podcast has to. Beverly Hills four. My previous co-host is in this movie as the, as the guy at the impound lot. Oh my God.

My previous co-host of this show for several years, Sean Leon is actually the guy who goes back and forth with Eddie Murphy in the impound lot, which cracked me though. Fuck up. When I saw it. I was like, wow, talk about making it, baby.

He's on a Netflix movie now. Wow. MIKE WHITE: Was he actually in Jupiter Ascending? CHRIS STACHIW: I don't know.

I like how somebody brings up Jupiter Ascending in this movie. That's not a thing that anybody needs to be doing in 2024 shot of him and Channing Tatum. MIKE WHITE: Oh, yeah. Channing taught me all this.

Yeah, I thought that was hilarious. Yeah. And I love when his daughter calls him on his bullshit. Yeah.

CHRIS STACHIW: No, no, that was, yeah. My previous cohos, Sean Brian Leong, he, it was just funny. My wife and I like looked at each other and we were like, what the fuck? And then go on Instagram to see he's been sharing about it finally that the movie's out.

But it was, I again, like all of that stuff with him pretending to be people. I'm glad that they brought that back. I wonder if, when they do the next movie, if that, if they're gonna lean on it as much because by the end of the movie I think the movie realized it couldn't do it anymore. But that is probably my favorite scene of them doing that back and forth, rep, arcade thing.

A lot of SD cards talking about SD Cards a lot in this movie. Where's the SD card? Is this 2024 where there are no more cocaine. Where's the SD card at?

You got to buy that SD card. That's mcguffin there. MIKE WHITE: I mean, interesting that this was Mark Malloy's first directorial feature that I think he was more of a commercial director. Thought he handled it pretty well.

I thought things looked pretty good. The action scenes were pretty well directed. They weren't infusing too much, which is always my playing his first. You can have a nice wide shot of stuff.

It almost has to be in super close up these days to show action, but I thought that he handled it pretty well. CHRIS STACHIW: I'm out for more than five seconds anyways. MIKE WHITE: Unless I would have like to have seen this on the big screen. I don't know, it's like it could have actually done something.

They released such garbage to theaters these days. Why not release this garbage and see if it takes. CHRIS STACHIW: And it had Kevin Bacon in it. It has an actual actor like well known actor as the villain too, which I feel like Father Milo to your point of, yeah, he's just, he's Kevin Bacon.

He shows up like, ok, we get it. Who the fuck does? I love Kevin Bacon and everything. Who the fuck doesn't?

His addition to anything makes it better and him and who is, who's he been married to? The closer that was Kyra Sedgwick, they're one of those Hollywood couples that have lasted as well. So it's a good story there. Kevin Bacon seems like a great guy, but it does seem like a bummer that all of a sudden he's just character actor.

Villain man, which seems a little bit like a waste of Kevin Bacon because he's such a good actor and I know that he's better. I'm not saying he's not, he can't play a good guy, but like, I think he's been great on both sides. I just don't understand why all of a sudden it's oh, it's because he's got a distinct face. Gotta make him the villain.

I guess that's what it is. I don't know. FATHER MALONE: I just, he just needs better movies. That's all.

CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah. Again, like you would think he's the villain in a Beverly Hills Cop movie. FATHER MALONE: Yeah, they wrote a standard villain and then they cast fucking Kevin B. MIKE WHITE: Bierko brought so much gravitas to that role and even Jurgen Prochnau was a great villain.

And then, then having a really strong right hand with Brigitte Nielsen in that second one, I thought was pretty smart. Having a really strong right hand with Jonathan Banks in that first movie. Yeah, when he says sorry because the Eddie Murphy, it's just, oh man, he's just so fucking cold blooded. But yeah, did not have that.

Kevin Bacon is Kevin Bacon but like you said, he seems like a really nice guy. So to see him in these villain roles, you're just like, I don't know if I buy it. I'm Kevin Bacon. CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah, I don't buy it.

I Didn'T buy it in R IP D and I don't buy it here 10 years ago. FATHER MALONE: That movie came out. MIKE WHITE: What about the sequel? Have you seen that?

CHRIS STACHIW: Is that a thing? MIKE WHITE: No, it is a thing. CHRIS STACHIW: I'm just gonna go out and live and say Ryan Reynolds and Jeffrey just don't come back for the sequel. They don't, what a shocker.

They Didn'T have that in their contract. You gotta come back for two more. R IP DS. Maybe he's, I don't know if even James Hall comes back, James Hogg, he's showed up for that rapd two.

MIKE WHITE: Yeah. I'm trying to remember who is in it. I want to say Jeffrey Donovan might have been Jeff. CHRIS STACHIW: In there for a little Armanda Santi my way.

MIKE WHITE: All right, I got you. I got you. It's Yep. Jeffrey Donovan right now, Richard Break.

That might be the only. CHRIS STACHIW: Richard we're talking. Hey, you know what? That guy never said no to a good time.

Yeah, he was in three from hell. MIKE WHITE: That's all I recognize from this castle. CHRIS STACHIW: Hey, like you said, Father Malone, the IP S baby got an IP, make some money. FATHER MALONE: But don't Axel Foley five coming soon in that case.

But it's Eddie Murphy. So he's always gonna get a pass. CHRIS STACHIW: That's the thing ultimately. Like, what has Eddie Murphy really been doing recently to keep himself relevant in the pop culture world?

Not a whole lot if this is part of that cool. FATHER MALONE: He did the coming to America Seed Ball, which was all the fans, it was everything this movie was. And so maybe that was a, there was a learning curve there because that movie felt and now here's another famous hit, but also. CHRIS STACHIW: It was more of like family oriented too and not as comedically interesting as the original one.

I Didn'T, I've never seen either. But from what I read, that was one of the complaints was it was more sanitized and scrubbed for family friendly audiences than the original was this movie does none of that. Thankfully, he says fuck and the N word in the first five minutes of the movie, which I'm here for like, I'm glad that they just let him do his thing because that seems to be Eddie Murphy's thing when he's doing it. Well, is nobody can do it as good as him.

At least not in terms of still get me an Eddie Murphy type, right? That ain't a thing. FATHER MALONE: Hollywood shuffle scene where they want an Eddie Murphy type. Hollywood shuffle and they're all doing that fucking laugh at this.

I'm sure that helped him go. I'm not doing this laugh anymore. So, what's the deal. CHRIS STACHIW: With the laugh?

I've never heard of this before? Oh, I know. I just, but so he Didn'T, so he had to change his laugh because he perceived that his own laugh. Was detrimental to his career or just being par.

FATHER MALONE: I just, you know, he just, he got sick of hearing it and allowing the shorthand for like, the worst impressions in the world. He said anyone in the world you could say do Eddie Murray, they just do the laugh and that's Eddie Murphy. I don't want to be that. I don't want to be that laugh.

CHRIS STACHIW: Interesting. Yeah, I guess I haven't seen enough older Eddie Murphy movies to even correlate the two. Interesting. He's not doing it in Haunted Mansion.

Clearly. Or nutty professor or Norbit. FATHER MALONE: It's in trading places. MIKE WHITE: I was about to say some of the older ones are the best ones that he did.

Interesting. Yeah. So, you know what we forgot about when it came into all this stuff too is the Beverly Hills Cop Pilot. Do you guys remember?

It was supposed to be a TV series for a little while and apparently they showed up in that and then it was his son, Aaron Foley who was in that directed by Bery Sonne Feld from 2013. I think I watched it, but it made such an impression that I can't even tell you what happened to it. CHRIS STACHIW: What a weird time though because 2013 would have been around the same time of that Exorcist TV. Show a bunch of Legacy TV sequences coming.

MIKE WHITE: Mary's baby. You remember that one? CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah, I do. Good Lord.

Or there was an Omen TV. Show that ran for six fucking seasons. I'm pretty sure even, hey, you know what, though, at the end of the day, I think, complaining about these things is obviously we do it all the time in terms of these things are here. They exist and we have to keep dealing with them and they keep taking these IP S and running them into the ground.

But it's nice to see that some of these things can still actually be somewhat three quarters, two thirds even entertaining, but doesn't make up for how many of these things just come out and are just such a complete and utter waste of time at this point. And given how much stuff comes out on a daily basis and this is on streaming, how many things are constantly like vying for our attention. You really have to make a case for people to spend time watching your movie and this was successful enough that they're making another one through streaming.

Yeah, that's not a bad thing if they make another one of these and it's less fan service and more an actual new idea and movie. Yeah, I'd be down for that, but it's a rarity in this kind of thing. MIKE WHITE: Unfortunately surprised they Didn'T go out on a Crazy Frog. You know, this opportunity.

CHRIS STACHIW: Eddie Murphy just rides away in an invisible man, dude, he just rides away. That's the movie I wanted. That's not the movie we got. I'm super disappointed God Murphy just pulls a mask off like Scooby Doo at the end and Crazy Frog's head just buffs out.

MIKE WHITE: And comes out. Yeah. CHRIS STACHIW: God, nobody needs to be mentioning Crazy Frog in 2024. But Beverly Hills Cobb on the other hand, maybe that's not the case for it.

MIKE WHITE: The woman that plays his daughter who I thought was really good. She's in the new version of Toxic Adventure. So is Kevin Bacon if they hung out on set? And we're just talking about making Beverly Hills Cop for?

CHRIS STACHIW: Remember we shot that movie last year? Yeah, me too. MIKE WHITE: Yeah, I remember that coming out. CHRIS STACHIW: Who knows?

Being dropped on streaming. FATHER MALONE: I don't know who bought it. CHRIS STACHIW: Hulu Netflix, who at one time you had to fight to be in the movie. It's not a fight to have your fucking movie released on anywhere other than just streaming.

That's fine. FATHER MALONE: The whole world has become independent distributors. CHRIS STACHIW: Father Malone. Final thoughts on Beverly Hills Cop four.

FATHER MALONE: I dug it. I know it's Nostalgia Bay, but it's well done and it seemed to be made with care by, by the original star here. It's a lot of the same, but a lot that's really good. I don't know, it's good to see all of these characters and not just caricatures of them for the most part and it's always great to see Eddie Murphy no matter what Mike.

What about you? MIKE WHITE: Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by this. Film, I had been talking about it with some coworkers on Friday and one of them was complaining about the plastic surgery that Billy Rosewood had. I don't think he had any surgery that looked like Judd Judge Reinhold through and through to me.

But I was just, I was a little sad that he wasn't in the movie more, but I understand the role that he was playing was to basically be out of the way. But I loved his scenes when he came in and yeah, to see Eddie Murphy back to form and you never know when you go to see Eddie Murphy movie, you never know what you're gonna get. This was a very pleasant surprise and I would recommend that more people check it out. CHRIS STACHIW: Yeah, as the one out of the three of us who is coming to the Senate from a very different angle, at least in terms of Eddie Murphy and Eddie Murphy's role as an actor, I guess, more aptly comedian in what I watched growing up.

This is, this is in, it's definitely different from a lot of this stuff, but at the same time, it's very similar to the things that y'all saw and grew up on. So it's nice to see them try to find a way to split the difference and bring a character that could have felt like an anachronism and in a lot of ways theoretically does not feel that way in a 2024 setting and Eddie Murphy has still got it. I, to both of your points, the idea of Eddie Murphy as the lead in things doesn't necessarily bring me joy because I've seen things that are, hello, my name is Dave or whatever the fuck did that?

Look, there's Eddie Murphy's inside of Eddie Murphy just kill me now, please. But then you get something like this, which is, again, it's fun. It's a return to the, one of the things that made Eddie Murphy famous and look, they're gonna make another one because this was successful. I hope it's more of the things that worked and less of the things that Didn'T.

But even if it has things that don't work, this movie did as well, but I think it works overall better than it had any right to Yeah, until we cover another new thing which will probably be sooner rather than later, Mike. Where can people find you in? The things that you work on? MIKE WHITE: Everything that I do is over at Wait Way Media.

Com, including the projection booth, a little show I've been doing every week for over 13 years now. Fml. How about you, Father Malone? FATHER MALONE: Oh, also waiting way media.

You mentioned it earlier. Chris go listen to midnight viewing. It's a weekly times, a couple of times now, weekly podcast over there. Go check it out.

That's for me. CHRIS STACHIW: Weird way. Media as well. All the things that I work on can be found there other than the one thing that can't, which is ranking on Bond, which can be found at patreon.com/culture casts or projection booth respectively.

$10 more. You get to hear our thoughts on a James Bond movie. Once a month. Sometimes it's just Mike and I and our friend Richard Adam of Richard Adam's paranormal bookshelf.

Sometimes others join us. Father Malone will be joining us pretty quickly for live and let die. And I believe here pretty quickly we'll be joined by the host of eighties TV. Ladies to talk about on Her Majesty's Secret Service.

So that's where you can go to check that out, like rate and review the show on itunes, please, regardless of where you get it because that helps us find our audience because most people listen to things on itunes even now in 2024 bottom alone, Mike. Thank you both so much for pushing that. We watch this and wanting to talk about it and yeah, we'll, we'll catch you on the next episode.